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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:36:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
This is about not letting some very bad behavior undo all the gains the CSM has made in gaining player support.
And most of the support is for Mittens and the CSM's profile has been raised because of him.
Just get over it already and stop having a little drama lama. I'm embarrassed for you and more to the point, you welcome support from the EULA breaking Darius. |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Also, while I completely agree that it was out of line to ask for other people to message him, somehow there are a few things people are forgetting.
1. CCP had access to all presentations beforehand and obviously didn't object to anything. The Alliance Panel is traditionally pretty laissez-faire. People presenting drunk is not something new on this particular panel and CCP obviously doesn't mind.
2. Mittens wasn't on the alliance panel in his capacity as a CSM member. He was there to represent Goonswarm. I wasn't a particular fan of the slide in question, since Depression is unfortunately a pretty serious condition, but other people didn't seem to mind.
During the CSM panel where he actually spoke in an official capacity, he was not drunk and he behaved completely professional, doing exactly the job that was expected from him.
3. Nobody seemed to mind for 2 days after the alliance panel was presented. There were no sanctions by CCP, very few comments on the slide. Not even Evenews picked it up and Riverini and Mittens are not exactly the closest of friends.
I agree he did something wrong, but he apologized and I seriously doubt he will anything like that ever happen again. The absolute most he should do is step down as chairman of the CSM and let TwoStep take over, while remaining on the CSM panel as a normal member.
Removing him from the CSM alltogether will undoubtedly hurt Eve and that can't be in the interest of any player. Protests, even a cry from goons for Mittens to step down started almost immediately after the panel. So it wasn't quiet for several days. I was up till 2:00 AM trying to catch the repeat feed (which I think CCP broke on purpose) to figure out what the kerfuffle was about. It wasn't till someone posted a link to a youtube of the panel that I saw what the protesters were going on about. I actually am concerned about your point that CCP had this material in advance. I'm expecting CCP meeds to explain that. Issler
Dude, you're in the CSM, please start behaving like it. You're not here in the capacity of a CEO to a major null sec alliance.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I'm pretty sure when the players in multiple threads in general asked what the CSM thought of the incident they expected an answer in the forums, not in a private Skype channel. Sorry, but this didn't need a hive mind meeting to come up with a cleverly crafted collective message. The rest of the CSM staying quiet is what is damaging the CSM. Ask yourself what your message from your silence is to the people the elected you. Even if the other CSM members had share something as simple as "Yes, it seems as though many found the action offensive we are happy to see Mittens has offered an apology in the forums and we are working with CCP to make sure the best interests of the players and Eve in general are the focus of whatever action results from their investigation." you would have been better than trying to focus this on me because I responded to the players and took a stand. I've said what I needed to say. I hope the other CSM will now give the players what they deserve when they elected you. As for Skype and not talking to you, not really an option while I'm at work, sorry. I'll be on soon enough, can't wait for that.  Issler
You're damaging it. You're 1 step away from Darius right now.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:04:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.
No, he didn't. He didn't do anything to break any rules according to the EULA/TOS. Besides, he was in that panel as an alliance leader and Michael Boltons presentation was far more offensive...if you've an easily offended conservative who takes everything far to seriously.
Personally the whole thing, the whole reaction is hilarious, its of Daily Mail/Fox News proportions and you're acting like Glenn Beck.
No one seems to take into account that Wis guy might be have been trolling himself (this is EVE) and he might also have been botting with those 23 accounts. His reaction to this was certainly in good humour. Why not ask the person in question about how they feel about this? Because that might disarm this entire witch hunt.
Also no one seems to want to take into account that this sort of thing is a daily occurrence in most online games (note, this did not happen while in game or a game related service covered by the EULA). Some of the stuff you can hear on Xbox live makes mittanis comments look quite timid. |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:05:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:
Bolton didn't end up calling for someones IRL death.
And it being a daily occurrence does not make it right.
This is basic stuff you are getting wrong.
No, you're naive.
Calling for someones death and harrasing someone is totally different. He didn't say "Go round his house and kill him".
I agree, it wasn't right but you're taking on not just the entire of null sec but the larger gaming community. This sort of stuff happens all the time. You don't think just because this was the first time someone said to do this publicly its not been said 1000 times before? Some people just play EVE to make sure you have a bad day.
So what is you're reaction to people user the 'N' word in both comms and local all over nullsec? Putting **** links (and actual stuff that might offend) in chat?
Your little witch hunt and 5000 post threads may have unintended consequences for EVE.
michaelthered wrote:
wis has been investigated by CCP...he is "not" a botter, confirmed. He runs a ridiculous multi screen setup I can't even begin to comprehend. He's got a blog somewhere that has a picture of it. You can see it for yourself.
It doesn't mean he isn't a massive troll does it? This witch hunt is not only ridiculous but utterly naive. |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:47:00 -
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I can't believe you're all still going on about this. It's a game for adults, get over ir already. You'll end up pressuring ccp so much they'll turn it into wow in space. |
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